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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    Coming back to the beginning that ppl mentioned that having fresh water biotope as for plants is easy...........
    I knew better and my good friend Miguel who has a lot of experience as well in this planted fresh water thingie said the same thing.
    Yes with salt water you need more equipment to keep it rolling but the chemistry is nothing different.
    You want to keep curtain fish or shrimp it's a whole different ball game.

    If you already put that chemical in no biggie, I have given you the three months to cycle out all the bad stuff and that will be gone by that time.
    Just wonder why you use that stuff to speed up the cycle Honestly I thought the chlorine in the tap water would kill the good bacteria that was in the Eco Complete........... correct for not stressing or for that matter killing your fish or other livestock members that hobbyist put in after rushing to the LFS after a week, yes that counts for salt water as well. I rush over there to have the water tested. LOL
    Of course the fish can survive but ever thought about nerve damage or brain damage............ we possibility can't know and that's a good thing but just stop there for a minute what these poor fish going through in a short period of time.

    So no dumping water out, keep hands out the water an let it do it's thing. Does this include not putting in plants? Is it bad if I am cleaning off the leaves? Am I messing up yet again? Also was going to look into the CO2 thing do I need to stay away from that right now too? Was going to research the DIY ones.
    Test only for a PH drop as you want to go in the direction of 7ppm and lower when we talking delicate shrimp here.
    But there are ways to do so and stay there, but not necessary to bring this up as you are not ready for it. I think I saw some peat pellets on the net do they look like balls?

    Soaking it in a body of water that most of the tannins are out of there and after a week or so sticking it in a HOB filter will help you big time on the PH.
    The leaching out from the peat moss has many different positive reactions on your habitat.
    The bad part is that your water looks kind of yellowish but and blocks some of the light.
    IME it won't be a bad thing.
    I have one of those filters that will finely filter have the feeling that is bad to use huh?

    Here you will find a lot of info and if you have more questions shoot them a email, Ron McGee is a good friend of me and we have done great things for this hobby.

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    By the way with the shrimp idea. What are my safe options as far as fish tank companions?

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    If you like the HIGH $$$ shrimp I would suggest shrimp only.
    All fish eat shrimp, if you get baby shrimp the fish most likely will snack on it.

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    I don't know I am still trying to just read up on them. All I have seen are blues and cherry at any LFS. Every time I see one I like a lot turns out it is salt! LOL!

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    Well now I know why you didn't see my comments even though on my computer I put my answers mixed in your text in a different color now that I look back on it in text talk everything is in black.

    I was under the impression that if I put chlorine in there it would destroy the good bacteria from the eco complete. Does it? Is it bad to add bacteria? I wasn't trying to "hurry to be finished cycling I was trying to get it going so it would be stabilised and established longer." What is 3 months when almost 2 years have gone by.

    I did get plants because part of me is just in desperate need of doing something I love for myself. Any moms out there know what I mean?

    I hope when you said keep my hands out of the tank the plants are okay or do I need to move them while the tank cycles?

    I also have been putting my hands in there cleaning off the leaves of the plants. Am I messing up the chemistry? Is this okay?

    If not should I move them and use the prime stuff to keep my plants alive without messing up the cycle? I don't want to kill my plants even though it is obvious I think some of the plants might not work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diesel View Post
    If you like the HIGH $$$ shrimp I would suggest shrimp only.
    All fish eat shrimp, if you get baby shrimp the fish most likely will snack on it.
    Okay I did some research on the shrimp. I really think they would be nice in the tank but that being said I do not want the tank being shrimp only. And also if the ph and temperatures are not the same for peaceful tank I don't want to do those shrimp because as much as I think the cardinal shrimp are pretty as they are need hotter temperatures and ph than the fish I really want. I figure if that counts me out it would probably count others out as well.

    Had an idea of maybe picking one I like that is a prolific breeder and falls in the diameters that the peaceful fish I like and if I breed them in a smaller tank and fix the 92 with enough hiding spots and such maybe it wouldn't be so bad. Then again maybe that is mean?

    But I used to buy ghost shrimp for a turtle that my hubby and I found drowning in a pond due to fishing lines, yes we feed him pellets too and if I can remember right some veggies, the shrimp where a treat. Back in those days you could get 20 for a buck. We had him for over 2 years took his foot forever to heal and he went from a 10 gallon to a 40 before he was released back into the wild. (technically I put him in the backyard to run around while we where moving in the house and he ran off.) Can't believe he slipped through the fence somehow as big as he got. He was a baby when we found him. He was a red ear.

    So the other problem is trying to keep new genes in the mix as I go so the gene structure doesn't go down and end up with a weaker and more disease prone. I never breed bother and sister in birds don't think it would be healthy here either and the rarer the shrimp the less opportunity to keep new genes coming in.

    So there is a hummmm.
    Any what about only seeing the shrimp on a computer screen. Not the same as in person. HUMMMM

    Then there is figuring out what all this means: and this is just 2 yellow ones. I think I better figure out the fish in the tank first because I bet there is a lot I am not realizing with these numbers down here I bet I better figure it out with the fish.


    • Neocaridina Davidi (Heteropoda)
    • Temp: 64-84F
    • pH: 6.0-8.0
    • TDS: 80-400
    • KH: 0-10
    • GH: 4-14



    • Caridina Serrata
    • Temp: 64-78F
    • pH: 6.2-7.8
    • TDS: 80-220
    • KH: 0-2
    • GH: 6-10

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrie Jo View Post
    Okay I did some research on the shrimp. I really think they would be nice in the tank but that being said I do not want the tank being shrimp only. And also if the ph and temperatures are not the same for peaceful tank I don't want to do those shrimp because as much as I think the cardinal shrimp are pretty as they are need hotter temperatures and ph than the fish I really want. I figure if that counts me out it would probably count others out as well.

    Had an idea of maybe picking one I like that is a prolific breeder and falls in the diameters that the peaceful fish I like and if I breed them in a smaller tank and fix the 92 with enough hiding spots and such maybe it wouldn't be so bad. Then again maybe that is mean?

    But I used to buy ghost shrimp for a turtle that my hubby and I found drowning in a pond due to fishing lines, yes we feed him pellets too and if I can remember right some veggies, the shrimp where a treat. Back in those days you could get 20 for a buck. We had him for over 2 years took his foot forever to heal and he went from a 10 gallon to a 40 before he was released back into the wild. (technically I put him in the backyard to run around while we where moving in the house and he ran off.) Can't believe he slipped through the fence somehow as big as he got. He was a baby when we found him. He was a red ear.

    So the other problem is trying to keep new genes in the mix as I go so the gene structure doesn't go down and end up with a weaker and more disease prone. I never breed bother and sister in birds don't think it would be healthy here either and the rarer the shrimp the less opportunity to keep new genes coming in.

    So there is a hummmm.
    Any what about only seeing the shrimp on a computer screen. Not the same as in person. HUMMMM

    Then there is figuring out what all this means: and this is just 2 yellow ones. I think I better figure out the fish in the tank first because I bet there is a lot I am not realizing with these numbers down here I bet I better figure it out with the fish.


    • Neocaridina Davidi (Heteropoda)
    • Temp: 64-84F
    • pH: 6.0-8.0
    • TDS: 80-400
    • KH: 0-10
    • GH: 4-14



    • Caridina Serrata
    • Temp: 64-78F
    • pH: 6.2-7.8
    • TDS: 80-220
    • KH: 0-2
    • GH: 6-10
    Well some of the plants are not doing so well. You would think if I could keep plants alive out of water I could do it in water? Not sure it is is from the lights being on only 4 hours or me using wrong bulb 1st couple of days.

    I need clean up crews! Too many leaves to clean off.

    I did finally figure out the rock to hold down the wood issue. I was concern putting something in there that might raise the ph then I remembered the filter bag and the bag of lava rocks I washed and boiled so I filled the filtersock tied it and dropped it on the driftwood. YEA! the only other rock I have that might be safe is rose quartz and it is too big. The others I have no clue about what my rocks are to know it ph is ok except that jasper is not so that doesn't do much good.

    The only thing I can think of that might hurt the plants is the alk being high.

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    Okay took the time to write down all the plants I have thus far:
    Anubias Barteri Round (Golden Coin)
    Anubias barteri nana petite
    Anubias coffeefolia
    Amazon Sword (Echinodorus Amazonicus)
    Amazon Sword (Echinodorus bleheri)
    Bucephalandra "Wavy Green) (Low CO2 requirements, still like the red one but can't find it locally)
    Cryptocoryne wendtii (It said I got the red one not sure)
    Hygrophila pinnatifida (medium CO2 requirements)
    Java Moss (looked so much better at ADG I am convinced it is the CO2 because my java was wonderful looking
    when I brought it home and it is on the top part as well as the bottom of my tank and the color is not what it was)
    Rotala wallichii (it has high CO2 requirements don't think it likes my tank much)
    Utricularia Graminifolia (Medium CO2 requirements. This one is such a beautiful light grassy green!!!)

    I think the plant guy at ADG is so very right certain plants may grow okay without CO2 but they do so much better with it. I still cannot believe the difference in the Java Moss. It's like comparing surviving to Completely Ecstatically Happy! First time I even heard of it was on here when Diesel mentioned it! I was like what??? Why would you need that??? Now I understand and realize it's merit and see it's real value. I think I went down the rabbit hole....

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    very cool.. I really like planted tanks....
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveb View Post
    very cool.. I really like planted tanks....
    Me too but after seeing what some people do with them it blows me away!!! I never even dreamed they could look that nice. I think I better figure out a way to rig up some kind of CO2 on the little 29 gallon. But I think I might have just found out I am out of time or soon will be at least for now. Hopefully I can get the little plant stand glued up though it will still have to sit out of the tank for a while to "cure"

    I bought a CO2 piece of junk on clearance at petco but it really doesn't look like it would last. Don't know if I should try it or return it for my 12 bucks or cannibalize it for the blowing bubbles in the water part? Read too many people said they ran out of CO2 in a day to 2 weeks either way that is not good with a tiny I think it was 45 grams.

    Found a decent CO2 regulator but doesn't have the low pressure or the needle part and what ever else not to mention a CO2 tank. If we are about to go through what I think we are rigging something up with yeast and sugar will not work I won't be available that much.

    Ordered some plant glue might try to do some of that Thursday if it comes in tomorrow like it is suppose to if I manage to I will try to post pics.

    Hopefully in a week and a half I should know where we stand but you never know one time we where up in the air for at least 3 months AGGRAVATING to say the least. I should not have started reading test results this late at night. Not that I didn't put together what was in there just different when you see it staring at you in black and white. Ignorance is truly bliss sometimes at lest for a short period of time. Sometimes I just wish my hubby and I could run away together from it not that it would do any good but might be fun trying! Reminds me of when my grandma would tell my grandpa she was going to run away from him (she was in her late 70's or early 80's) He would reply, "Can I go with you?" and she would think for a second and say yes! (mind you she could no longer drive either)


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