View Poll Results: Should I go bare bottom or not? Please vote and help me decide!

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  • Yes, Go Bare Bottom.

    5 25.00%
  • Yes, with White Starboard bottom.

    1 5.00%
  • Yes, with Black ABS bottom.

    4 20.00%
  • No, use 0.5”-2.0” of Mini-flakes, Meso-flakes, or Reef-flakes Sand.

    10 50.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cody View Post
    This discussion came up on the tank tour yesterday while we were looking at David's tank with 6"+ of sand, massive water flow, and corals bigger than basketballs. If your biggest negative of sand is that it might get churned up, then you're worrying over nothing. No sand is an uncommon thing in my experience, and that's having learned from a lot of sps growers. I don't know a single nice sps tank that doesn't run sand, to be honest. It really comes down to what you think looks nice. Pick sand or no sand, then call it a day.
    I know it. I'll probably kick myself later, but....I can always add sand down the road!

    Check this out... I think I may pull the trigger.

    https://www.tapplastics.com/product/..._starboard/526

    King StarBoard® is the original marine-grade high-density polyethylene sheet and the industry standard. It is the product of a proprietary process called K-Stran™, the most advanced manufacturing process for superior flatness and consistency. King StarBoard® is environmentally stabilized to withstand the harshest marine conditions. It will not warp, rot, or delaminate when exposed to humidity or water. King StarBoard® is easy to fabricate with standard woodworking tools and requires little or no finishing.


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    For a sheet pre-cut to say 48x18 @ 1/4".... it's $43.80

    You gotta admit...that's a great price!
    Last edited by Reefahholic; 2 Weeks Ago at 01:50 AM.

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    How do you keep coralline algae from growing on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carrie17 View Post
    How do you keep coralline algae from growing on it?

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    At that point I guess you don’t. Or if you get smooth you can scrape it. A lot of them are slightly textured.

    I see no harm in trying it out because they’re cheap. If I don’t like it, I’ll just add sand over it.

    It’s a win win!

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    I voted white star board. IMO sand is a PITA. Although I do like the looks of it..

    But IMO travertine tile on the bottom is a nice option as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by steveb View Post
    I voted white star board. IMO sand is a PITA. Although I do like the looks of it..

    But IMO travertine tile on the bottom is a nice option as well.

    FINALLY, A WHITE STARBOARD VOTE!!

    Every single person I’ve talked to...even people I haven’t talked to in months ALL HATE BB tanks! Lol


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    It does appear (according to the votes) that people really like black Starboard or ABS.

    ABS is easier to silicone which is why Reef Savvy is using it I believe. I just think the HDPE or (King Starboard) is a better choice for our reefs. I could be wrong. Still researching.



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    I just called eplastics and their main guy told me that the only difference between regular HDPE and the “King Starboard” (even though they claim “Marine Grade”) is that the King Starboard is “UV Resistant.”

    Not sure how true that is. I have heard reports of regular cutting boards (HDPE) actually rotting and causing issues in a few tanks.

    They only reason why I wouldn’t go with the King is because it’s slightly textured. This is good and bad. :-) The regular HDPE has a smooth finish.

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    “HDPE is FDA approved for food contact”




    Polyethylene is an industrial plastic. Its surface will have some imperfections and scratches.

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    It’s funny because they say it’s the same stuff but yet they talk in their videos at tap plastics how the regular HDPE is for inside applications, but the Starboard is for outside applications.

    That suggests to me that they assume it won’t do well outside which goes with the reports I’ve heard of HDPE cutting boards breaking down in reef tanks over time.

    I think King Starboard or ABS are the two safer options. But...King Starboard is HDPE?? They must cure it differently.

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