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    News flash. All these stores buy from the same wholesalers. If you think one lfs is safer than another, you are falling victim to branding.

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    Just a quick heads up.... I’ve seen about everything (including Velvet) at about every fish store in town. I’ve even had Velvet come in form Live Aquaria.

    So really it’s not anybody’s fault. I would not mention the store or ruin your relationship with them. We should all QT our fish. If we don’t, we can only blame ourselves. We should treat every fish as if it could possibly have everything. Then deal with them one by one until you win or the fish dies. When the fish has been in a tank absent of medication and observed daily for signs and symptoms for 2-4 weeks (depending on the circumstances) and has “passed” the observation period...only then should it be considered clean and go into the display.

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    Quote Originally Posted by steveb View Post
    sorry to hear. have you started treatment?

    Unfortunately, with the volume of fish that come through the stores you have to assume every fish you buy, from any vendor, has something.
    Agree 100%.

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    I want to place an emphasis on the fact I said earlier that im leaning toward the latter as there is no need to put a LFS on blast just for the sake of putting them on blast. Only reasons I'd want to do do that is a two prongs approach on my part-1) Warn others of an impending catastrophe 2) To serve notice so the shops can up their games in term of better husbandry/quarantine procedures. Regardless, i think im going to have a talk with Mgnt this weekend but i have a feeling it will be a futile attempt on my end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reefling View Post
    News flash. All these stores buy from the same wholesalers. If you think one lfs is safer than another, you are falling victim to branding.

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    I agree. Most get fish from a lot of the same vendors. :-)

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    There are only about 6 wholesalers in the industry to supply everyone.
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    I agree. Most get fish from a lot of the same vendors. :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyNguyen View Post
    I want to place an emphasis on the fact I said earlier that im leaning toward the latter as there is no need to put a LFS on blast just for the sake of putting them on blast. Only reasons I'd want to do do that is a two prongs approach on my part-1) Warn others of an impending catastrophe 2) To serve notice so the shops can up their games in term of better husbandry/quarantine procedures. Regardless, i think im going to have a talk with Mgnt this weekend but i have a feeling it will be a futile attempt on my end.

    Man.. I can certainly understand your frustration. It sucks I know.

    There’s just no way these LFS can possibly treat for every parasite. They all have different life cycles. Plus... there’s a lot of fish that don’t tolerate certain medications.

    My suggestion is to let this be an educational experience. Learn how to QT, treat, and defeat Velvet. Get the fish in Copper and run at a therapeutic for 4 weeks.

    What kind of fish are we talking about? He may not tolerate Copper.

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    In my mind...they’re all infected. I don’t care if the fish is spotless and eating like a pig. He can be relaxed and looking perfect.

    I’ve had Velvet show up twice around the 21 day mark. Yes...3 weeks later. Copper will mask the symptoms.

    When I buy fish I just start at the beginning. Fresh water dip first. Then CP or Copper while I do a few tank transfers. This will leave Velvet dinospores behind, but will not affect trophonts that are already on the fish. Buy the second transfer, the Trophonts have already fallen off and the fish are protected from any new dinospores because they’ve been in therapeutic conditions. This is why I transfer to a non-medicated tank on the 2nd transfer. From there I get the fish on Prazipro and eating API General Cure. I get them eating really well during the observation period. If something pops up in this time period of 3-4 weeks- I’ll deal with it. By this time if the fish do have any other issues... they typically handle it well, because they’re a lot stronger and less stressed at this time.

    It’s all about patience. Believe me, it feels amazing to see healthy fish “that you know are clean” swim into your display. It’s well worth the effort. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reefahholic View Post
    In my mind...they’re all infected. I don’t care if the fish is spotless and eating like a pig. He can be relaxed and looking perfect.

    I’ve had Velvet show up twice around the 21 day mark. Yes...3 weeks later. Copper will mask the symptoms.

    When I buy fish I just start at the beginning. Fresh water dip first. Then CP or Copper while I do a few tank transfers. This will leave Velvet dinospores behind, but will not affect trophonts that are already on the fish. Buy the second transfer, the Trophonts have already fallen off and the fish are protected from any new dinospores because they’ve been in therapeutic conditions. This is why I transfer to a non-medicated tank on the 2nd transfer. From there I get the fish on Prazipro and eating API General Cure. I get them eating really well during the observation period. If something pops up in this time period of 3-4 weeks- I’ll deal with it. By this time if the fish do have any other issues... they typically handle it well, because they’re a lot stronger and less stressed at this time.

    It’s all about patience. Believe me, it feels amazing to see healthy fish “that you know are clean” swim into your display. It’s well worth the effort. :-)
    @Reefaholic, could you share with is your exact procedure? Step by step, with medication doses? Please?

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    Sure. It’s basically what I mentioned above.

    I get a batch of fish that I know can either tolerate Copper or CP. If a particular fish can’t tolerate one of those medications, I’ll wait and put him with those fish who can. Example, I know a Blue Regal tang will start to decline and die about 3-4 days into a CP treatment. So I’ll wait and put him in with a batch of fish that all tolerate Copper.

    Before I put the fish in a medicated QT, I’ll normally FW dip the fish. Sometimes I’m too lazy. After that, they go into the medicated tank at a therapeutic level. If it’s CP I only dose 40/mg per Gal for 30 days. I had bad luck with anything higher unless the fish are really hardy. If I’m using Copper, I’ll run at 1.8-2.0 ppm for 30 days. I say 1.8 because 1.5 is the low range of therapeutic and I give myself some wiggle room. Remember to “mark a line on the glass” and top off the tank. This will keep the level stable. If you have an ATO on the tank...that’s even better.

    During this 30 days of treatment for either medication, I’ll do two tank transfers. Yes, I do 2 tank transfers every 72 hours. This serves two purposes. One being that it leaves any Velevet Dinospores behind. Or Trophonts who may have already dropped off. Two...it controls Ammonia or Nitrite levels.

    After the second transfer the fish have been at a therapeutic level for 7 days. In theory... most are parasite free at this point. This is why I transfer to a non-medicated tank on the 2nd transfer. After the medication is dropped, the fish will begin to eat well. This is when you get them on Parazipro. Or you can start them eating API General Cure. I do the latter now. Remember, if you go with the API General Cure first, you still need to observe in a non-medicated tank after this stage is complete. Then you can do Prazipro at the same time as it shouldn’t mask the parasites because it’s not treating the major 4.

    Good luck!


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