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    Algae Problem.....and others

    What I mean is by removing the fuge/sump with sand/rock/macro you removed the good bacteria/organisms (microfauna) which caused an imbalance in the tank.

    Looking at your pics there could be more to the story...test phosphates and nitrates and also source of ro/di water. That's some serious algae. GL>>>




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    What do you mean "removing of microfauna?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by RR-MAN View Post
    What I mean is by removing the fuge/sump with sand/rock/macro you removed the good bacteria/organisms (microfauna) which caused an imbalance in the tank.Looking at your pics there could be more to the story...test phosphates and nitrates and also source of ro/di water. That's some serious algae. GL>>>
    Removing the bits of cheato and other crud the fuge was the last thing I did. It could be the reason for the explanation of GHA but not the cause. All this algae was there before. I need to look at phosphates. I have more Hanna tests coming in. I do have to dose nitrates. I test every 1 to 2 days and dose as needed. I keep between 5 and 10. My return flow has decreased to around 450. This weekend I am changing out the return hose. It should boost it to over 700. Where I want it.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk
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    If I remember correctly you buy your ro/di water? Regardless from where get an ro/di unit man
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    Quote Originally Posted by RR-MAN View Post
    If I remember correctly you buy your ro/di water? Regardless from where get an ro/di unit man
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    I have a RODI system. The filters are about 2 months old. TDS is 0.

    Thanks for taking the time to help.

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    I just got back from Andre's. The tank is impressive. We had a nice long talk and he imparted a lot of helpful knowledge.

    My potassium was low and my redfield ratio is out of wack. So my phosphates are low. My bacteria diversity is lacking. Andre helped get me started with some products and the in information to keep it going and the tank in good working order. I will keep posting numbers and pics to show the progress.

    Water clarity before.


    Water clarity after adding stuff.
    I'm sure this is only temporary.


    Thank you Andre.

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    Sounds like Andre got you headed in the right direction Mario! Do you mind sharing what products you are going to use? Im sure it would help a lot of members who may be in your situation. Im interested as well. May need to increase my potassium.

    So I'm guessing you will dose potassium, phosphates, and bacteria? How are your nitrates?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark L. View Post
    Sounds like Andre got you headed in the right direction Mario! Do you mind sharing what products you are going to use? Im sure it would help a lot of members who may be in your situation. Im interested as well. May need to increase my potassium.

    So I'm guessing you will dose potassium, phosphates, and bacteria? How are your nitrates?
    Andre gave me some biodigest because to help with my bacterial diversity. Andre explained the redfield ratio. So to help with my phosphates I've started dosing Phytofeast. I will lower my nitrates to 2 to 3 and raise my phosphates to .20 to .30. Brightwell potassium powder. To keep potassium around 400 to 410. And change from BRS kalkwasser to Brightwell kalkwasser 2+, it has trace elements as well as alk and calcium. I will get off vibrant and use socks.

    So keep redfield ratio in check.
    Raise potassium to 400.
    Promote bacterial diversity.

    I will know by tomorrow if I'm on the right track because my alk will start dropping. If the redfield ratio is correct that all the processes kick back in and start consuming the alk.

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    Good info thanks man! I need to look into the potassium powder. I usually dose ZEOvit K Balance. Wonder which is better. I'll have to check.
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    Hey Malira, and other interested readers on this.

    So after talking about the tank and what Malira did so far in the past, the tank basically sounded very likely starved to death by lack of Phosphates. Sounds harsh but even the Algae did not look healthy lol.

    So, interesting was the fact that he has to dose Nitrates (Diesel brew) to maintain the Nitrate level somewhere 5-8 or so. All good, however he does not use any of the methods to run a SULNS ;-)
    Means monoculture of bacteria, and I found out the only bacterial fuel he doses here and there is Amino acids (Fuel).
    So the biology is powerful to keep the Nitrates low, so I expected extremely low Po4 !!!

    Just measured the ULR range it it came out with 2ppb means almost nothing on Po4 left, this reading is lower than Po4 in any dry food.
    So my gut feeling was basically right.
    Diagnose - Tank starvation

    ASAP Corrective action,
    I gave him 100 Reef Nutrition Phyto Feast, which contains quite good amounts of Po4 ;-)
    That actually (50ml right away) made the water cloudy.

    Then 2 ampules of Biodigest
    Recommend to keep dosing 1 ampule per week or biweekly

    Stop any Aminos for now, corals should reach their natural color first before we start enhancing colors ;-)

    Then Nitrates reduction to 2,5 / 3 ppm to allow less PO4 level within the redfield ratio.
    That will be the most challenging part of soon future.

    He will get some Test kits like the ULR Phosphorus checker and Potassium test kit.
    Potassium was down to 370-380, and I gave him a boost of my solutions for correction.
    Also I recommend to have the Brightwell Potassion dry powder on hand ($10!!! last a year)

    Now we need to see how the tank will get back on track and stable.
    With the returning nutrient managment in the right direction, he will experience that a lot of other processes will start as well.
    Means he will need to look for soon Alk, Ca and MG as well as Potassium occasionally.

    I guess the root cause is identified in this case which is quite often seen these days !!!!!!
    In the past we had issues with high nutrients, now we have issues with low nutrients, lol


    There is more to write we talked about, and I believe this is a milestone now for this tank.
    Plans for future will be likely to return back to Chaeto sump as soon as needed.
    Po4 consumption will be high in the beginning until the demand goes down from natural processes.

    -Andre

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    Thanks Andre and Malira! Good thread and thank you two for sharing. Lots of people can learn some things from a thread like this. I would never think to check for potassium, just the big 3 and nitrate/phosphate. I know I found it interesting.

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